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- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
NP: The Time Machine - Klaus Badelt
A great easy listening experiance. I can forgive Badelt that he lifted "Stone Language" from Adiemus.Bach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
How dare that shady John Williams lift the use of a violin from Bach!
How dare Jerry Goldsmith lift synthesizers from Vangelis!
......its a particular way of using female voices. That's all. I've listened to all of Adiemus' stuff and there is no "lifting" going on. Just because that particular sound is (sadly IMO) not utilized very often, does not make every use of it a "lift" of the first use you know of.
/rant
Sorry, its a sensitive subject because I love choir use like that and wish it were used more. Horner's Avatar is the only other piece of music I know of that sounds similar.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
NP: Da Vinci's Demons - Bear McCreary
So good it makes me want to watch the show...I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
Scribe wrote
I've listened to all of Adiemus' stuff and there is no "lifting" going on.
Well, listen again. And while I'm at it: Goldsmith, and Zimmer are all over this score, too.Bach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013 edited
So basically, all good music is somehow a "lift" unless its completely new and innovative???
I guess John Williams "lifts" himself every time he writes action music, so screw him. Unless maybe you can forgive him, too.
I just don't think a good composer utilizing good ideas - that happen to also exist in previous works of music - in a new and fresh way is something that needs to be "forgiven"....praised rather.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
Calm your tits, Matt. -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
If someone was saying that creating your favorite kind of music was some kind of offense that needs to be forgiven (and thus presumably no more of your favorite music should ever be made) you might be slightly frustrated too.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013 edited
Don't forget I said initially that the score is a great easy listening experiance. Well, maybe poor choice of words there. I meant to say it's a really good score.
Intertexuality is a given since first people made art. What I hear - or believe to hear - in this score as being influenced by Goldsmith or Zimmer falls unter intertexuality. There is (or seems to be) a general connection, nothing more.
In the case of "Stone Language" - well, that is more than a general connection. Carl Jenkins basically invented that sound and the chord progressions are quite similar to the cue "Adiemus" from the original album.
EDIT: O, and if the word "forgive" is offending you ... irony ... you know the concept?Bach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013 edited
Captain Future wrote
Intertexuality is a given since first people made art. What I hear - or believe to hear - in this score as being influenced by Goldsmith or Zimmer falls unter intertexuality. There is (or seems to be) a general connection, nothing more.
Its perfectly natural if you think that score was temped with Goldsmith, because it almost definitely was. And of course it has many Zimmer elements since Badelt was still closely connected with Zimmer at the time.
In the case of "Stone Language" - well, that is more than a general connection. Carl Jenkins basically invented that sound and the chord progressions are quite similar to the cue "Adiemus" from the original album.
Again, that's like implying that nobody should use synths except for the person that invented synths, or that no one should use a male choir singing Latin scripts during action music since the first time that device was used...and that if they do, they have to be forgiven for lifting from whoever first used those devices. Creating a new musical device does not give you exclusive rights to using that device, or make it wrong for future artists to use the same device...on the contrary, it enriches all music when everyone can freely use all the previously created musical devices to create new music. And this is a particularly enjoyable device to me so I wish it would be used more and enhanced upon.
Besides, the song "Adiemus" and Badelt's Eloi music sound about as similar to me as Schindler's List and Bartok's Romanian Folk Dances...they have completely different melodies and express completely different emotions and one is not a lift of the other just because they both have a solo violin at the forefront. If "Adiemus" and "Eloi" were played on a piano no one would think they were similar...unless of course, they were the only 2 piano pieces in the world at that time.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
Timmer wrote
Martijn wrote
PawelStroinski wrote
Alfred Newman - The Robe
Those who have me on Facebook know that I'm going through a bit of a Golden Age binge
Good for you, lad!
Far and away a better play than anyone elses for at least two pages, super awesome score!
Atham wrote
Today I played selections from Superman The Movie, The Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark and E.T.
Interesting hearing so much trumpet, an instrument that has been disposed of in just about all modern film scores! Anyway, back to the classics. Next up, Jurassic Park.
...except for Atham's post 13 hours ago
As you see, my musical tastes are somehow eclectichttp://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013 edited
NP : THAT MAN FROM RIO - Georges Delerue
Early 60's French James Bond spoof. Might have been more interesting if John Barry's style had been spoofed too. This is pretty annoying except for moments of Brazilian samba thrown in, I doubt I'm staying with this much longer.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013 edited
Scribe wrote
Captain Future wrote
Intertexuality is a given since first people made art. What I hear - or believe to hear - in this score as being influenced by Goldsmith or Zimmer falls unter intertexuality. There is (or seems to be) a general connection, nothing more.
Its perfectly natural if you think that score was temped with Goldsmith, because it almost definitely was.
Not almost. It was indeed temped with The Edge. Fact!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
You have documentation of this?I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
NP : THE DAY OF THE DOLPHIN - Georges Delerue
Much much betterOn Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
NP : PLATOON - Georges Delerue
Stunningly beautiful, full of poignancy, this film did not need Samuel Barber's overused Adagio For strings.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
REDEMPTION - Dario Marianelli
Lots of electronics. Not much is memorable. Seems like the kind of score you'd expect for a Jason Statham film. "Joey's Career" is the best the score has to offer if you're interested in checking it out. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
Scribe wrote
You have documentation of this?
I'm sure there is documentation somewhere. It's very well known amongst score fans that THE EDGE was the temp track.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013
Timmer wrote
Scribe wrote
You have documentation of this?
I'm sure there is documentation somewhere. It's very well known amongst score fans that THE EDGE was the temp track.
I don't think so, its just very oft repeated that because they sound similar, it must have been the temp track. I don't remember seeing any actual evidence though. Both cues are so simplistic that I don't think its inconceivable that Badelt happened to come up with something that sounded similar to what Goldsmith had already done. So it would be interesting to see actual confirmation.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentTimeAug 8th 2013 edited
Scribe wrote
You have documentation of this?
Michael Giacchino told when he was writing demos for the film. Good enough for ya?
FACT!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeAug 9th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
Scribe wrote
You have documentation of this?
Michael Giacchino told when he was writing demos for the film. Good enough for ya?
FACT!
-Erik-
Well, we only have your word for that ErikOn Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorKevin Scarlet
- CommentTimeAug 9th 2013
Captain Future wrote
NP: X-Men: The Last Stand - John Powell
Just handed in by the postman. First run. Man, beautiful stuff indeed!
Volker
Yeah it's cool. Little busy and over the top towards the end. -
- CommentAuthorKevin Scarlet
- CommentTimeAug 9th 2013
Timmer wrote
Kevin Scarlet wrote
Skyfall - Thomas Newman
Having listened to this score more times than I care to admit, I believe "Quartermaster" is one of the most brilliant pieces Newman has ever written.
Fuck me!
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- CommentTimeAug 9th 2013
Timmer wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Scribe wrote
You have documentation of this?
Michael Giacchino told when he was writing demos for the film. Good enough for ya?
FACT!
-Erik-
Well, we only have your word for that Erik
I believe him. I was just curious to know if it went beyond guessing.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentTimeAug 9th 2013
Scribe wrote
Timmer wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Scribe wrote
You have documentation of this?
Michael Giacchino told when he was writing demos for the film. Good enough for ya?
FACT!
-Erik-
Well, we only have your word for that Erik
I believe him. I was just curious to know if it went beyond guessing.
Even if you didn't know that it was a fact it's pretty darn obvious.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentTimeAug 9th 2013
NOW YOU SEE ME - Brian Tyler.
This is a cool little score. There are only six tracks on it composed by Tyler - the rest are songs or remixes of something Tyler wrote for the film, but I far prefer Tyler's tracks to the remixes. While it doesn't have as strong a thematic identity as Iron Man 3, the Tyler portions of this score are more consistently enjoyable for me than IM3. -
- CommentTimeAug 9th 2013
christopher wrote
NOW YOU SEE ME - Brian Tyler.
This is a cool little score. There are only six tracks on it composed by Tyler - the rest are songs or remixes of something Tyler wrote for the film, but I far prefer Tyler's tracks to the remixes. While it doesn't have as strong a thematic identity as Iron Man 3, the Tyler portions of this score are more consistently enjoyable for me than IM3.
This is true. Though it's a much more derivative score than IM3. -
- CommentAuthorKevin Scarlet
- CommentTimeAug 9th 2013
Catch Me If You Can - John Williams
It's pretty impressive how Williams can add gravitas to what's an overall breezy movie. -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeAug 9th 2013
Kevin Scarlet wrote
Captain Future wrote
NP: X-Men: The Last Stand - John Powell
Just handed in by the postman. First run. Man, beautiful stuff indeed!
Volker
Yeah it's cool. Little busy and over the top towards the end.
That's exactly what makes it so cool. -
- CommentTimeAug 9th 2013
Edmund Meinerts wrote
Kevin Scarlet wrote
Captain Future wrote
NP: X-Men: The Last Stand - John Powell
Just handed in by the postman. First run. Man, beautiful stuff indeed!
Volker
Yeah it's cool. Little busy and over the top towards the end.
That's exactly what makes it so cool.
Bach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentTimeAug 9th 2013
NP: Pompei (RAI, 2007) - Marco Frisina
This is an incredibly beautiful orchestral score for an Italian TV production. Frisina is one of these European composers of whom I whished they would take over Hollywood.Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.