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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    INCEPTION
    The whole work, film and score, is impressive to say the least and the whole experience just elevated one score i already appreciated a lot, to one of the bests for this year.

    punk
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010 edited
    Erik Woods wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    Too much, I say, too much. Such a shame.


    Yup!

    -Erik-


    I don't see any shame anywhere, only a brilliantly directed and acted movie with tight pace and a music that fits like a glove, elevating every scene.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010
    The music was intrusive, way too loud (blame the mixers if you want but there were many instances where key segments of dialogue were inaudible) and by the end you just wanted the music to go away (my wife felt the same way) It felt like sonic wallpaper... it played almost from start to finish making the finale just headache inducing instead of special. There were some great moments but by the time we got to the third act the score became grating and film music should never do that.

    The score plays much better on CD.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010
    Not the experience i had, clearly not the same for all people. My company and I loved every minute of it, and so did the majority of the audience.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010
    Demetris, do films you see in Greece get a Greek dubbing? Because the mix might be different then and we're all talking about something else. By the way, I really didn't feel the mix was all that loud in the music department - I also wonder if it might have to do with different cinema's and the way they have their sound system organized. But, then again, we Dutch people aren't totally dependent on hearing the dialogue because we also get the subtitles (though I always listen to the spoken word as well, and I never missed a thing). I'm anxious to hear it on BluRay.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    Not the experience i had, clearly not the same for all people. My company and I loved every minute of it, and so did the majority of the audience.


    I have nothing bad to say about the film itself. Excellent movie... but the majority of Zimmer's score was not what the film called for.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010
    BobdH wrote
    Demetris, do films you see in Greece get a Greek dubbing? Because the mix might be different then and we're all talking about something else. By the way, I really didn't feel the mix was all that loud in the music department - I also wonder if it might have to do with different cinema's and the way they have their sound system organized. But, then again, we Dutch people aren't totally dependent on hearing the dialogue because we also get the subtitles (though I always listen to the spoken word as well, and I never missed a thing). I'm anxious to hear it on BluRay.


    Of course not, Greece and Cyprus have never gone the dubbing way, thank God otherwise i'd never go to the cinema. I absolutely loathe dubbing with all my strength.

    I, a film score fan and a musician, naturally thought the mixing was great smile It helped that i loved the score from before too but anyway i talked with non-film score fans after the showing and also observed audience too, i didn't notice anyone being bothered; on the contrary it was one of those few times the general audience actually noticed the score and talked about it.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010 edited
    Christodoulides wrote
    I, a film score fan and a musician, naturally thought the mixing was great smile


    Oh, I see... because of your credentials you are a far more qualified film music fan than I am.

    I, Erik Woods, a video producer, film music radio show host, listener of film music through high end stereo speakers, father of two, consumer of Belgium beer and steakoholic thought the mix was pure shit!

    Christodoulides wrote
    I talked with non-film score fans after the showing and also observed audience too, i didn't notice anyone being bothered; on the contrary it was one of those few times the general audience actually noticed the score and talked about it.


    Weirdos!

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010
    Well, Zimmer's music does tend to get a louder mixing than average in films, and his music does tend to get noticed more often by a general audience... draw your conclusions. They don't actively pay attention to it, so it needs to be a little bit 'in your face' for them to even start noticing.

    Me, I like and often prefer a louder musical mixing, as I think it should carry the film and accompany it.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010 edited
    I don't mind a louder mix either but Zimmer's score was battling the dialogue and extremely loud sound effects as well. It all got to be too much by the end of the picture. There was no balance.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  1. For a quality director, Nolan values too little the power of not having music.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010
    franz_conrad wrote
    For a quality director, Nolan values too little the power of not having music.


    Well said!

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010
    Erik Woods wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    I, a film score fan and a musician, naturally thought the mixing was great smile


    Oh, I see... because of your credentials you are a far more qualified film music fan than I am.

    I, Erik Woods, a video producer, film music radio show host, listener of film music through high end stereo speakers, father of two, consumer of Belgium beer and steakoholic thought the mix was pure shit!


    -Erik-


    Bullshit. I meant as a BIASED film music fan, naturally preoccupied positively and biased towards the music and that i would usually not mind if the music was mixed too loud.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2010 edited
    Erik Woods wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    For a quality director, Nolan values too little the power of not having music.


    Well said!

    -Erik-


    And YOU, a lover of big loud symphonic hollywood music, are an advocate of the absence of music in films? I am surprised. Michael meant the use of silence, not Zimmer's music mixed more softly.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    For a quality director, Nolan values too little the power of not having music.


    Well said!

    -Erik-


    And YOU, a lover of big loud symphonic hollywood music, are an advocate of the absence of music in films? I am surprised. Michael meant the use of silence, not Zimmer's music mixed more softly.


    I know exactly what he meant. Inception would have benefited by LESS score aka silence. Just because I'm an advocate of large symphonic music doesn't mean that a film should be dominated by such.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  2. Christodoulides wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    For a quality director, Nolan values too little the power of not having music.


    Well said!

    -Erik-


    And YOU, a lover of big loud symphonic hollywood music, are an advocate of the absence of music in films? I am surprised. Michael meant the use of silence, not Zimmer's music mixed more softly.


    That is a startling extrapolation of meaning from a parsimonious statement. wink

    I believe the music is mixed too loudly, there is too much of it, it pauses too rarely for extended periods for dramatic effect, and ultimately quite a bit of it is focused on the red herring of action over character. (This does not apply to 'Old Souls' and the first half of 'Waiting for a Train', obviously.)

    I like the album a lot, listen to it all the time, but it's not a great marriage of music and film for me. So there. cool
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2010
    I've still yet to see it.

    Mel saw it and enjoyed it and thinks the music is very good, she did say she thought it was overbearing at times but that it was a minor quibble, at the same time that's why she recognised it straight away when I played it for the first time.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2010
    Last week I watched THE DARK KNIGHT for the 3rd time, a very good film but I couldn't help taking more notice of the music this time, IMO the score is crap, utter shit! If I had any kind of power whatsoever I would have had the score thrown out, it's nought more than sonic wallpaper.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2010
    Timmer wrote
    I've still yet to see it.

    Mel saw it and enjoyed it and thinks the music is very good, she did say she thought it was overbearing at times but that it was a minor quibble


    Interestingly, I had the same thoughts at the last series of Doctor Who.
    While Murray Gold already displayed a tendency to overscore some scenes in previous seasons, the immediate segue into full orchestral-cum-electronic-beat action music whenever someone turns his head slightly faster than usual, or the thunderous fortississimo blast with three or four choirs chanting epically over ever ascending orchestral scales (with thirteen timpani keeping time) at every single episode's apotheosis (no matter whether the Doctor saves the multiverse from Dalek-demon hybrids or just fastens a screw on a telephone) is becoming somewhat overly noticeable.

    It's still great stuff to listen to on CD though, and I'm sure I'll buy the Season 5 album as I have the others.

    I still dislike Matt Smith.
    I really want to like him in the role, but I find him not very menacing (Tenant did that exceedingly well), not very seasoned (as Eccleston projected so well), and not very amusing. He has the quirky bit down pat, but sadly that's just the generally quite good dialogue in the scripts.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  3. I agree with what you're saying about Doctor Who, Martijn. But I do remember at one point seeing the briefest of instances where Matt Smith does do menacing (I can't remember exactly where) and I thought that he did it quite well.

    Maybe it was just because it was him being slightly less quirky than usual rather than actually being menacing, but I do remember thinking that it would be good to see more of this side of this version of the Doctor.

    BTW, Amy Pond is just as annoying.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorplindboe
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2010
    Timmer wrote
    Last week I watched THE DARK KNIGHT for the 3rd time, a very good film but I couldn't help taking more notice of the music this time, IMO the score is crap, utter shit! If I had any kind of power whatsoever I would have had the score thrown out, it's nought more than sonic wallpaper.


    I've only seen it once but I thought the score worked brilliantly. It was constantly present and I felt constantly on edge throughout the movie because of it. I didn't know the music beforehand, so my enjoyment of the music in the movie was probably more like a non-film score fan.

    Peter punk
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2010
    plindboe wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Last week I watched THE DARK KNIGHT for the 3rd time, a very good film but I couldn't help taking more notice of the music this time, IMO the score is crap, utter shit! If I had any kind of power whatsoever I would have had the score thrown out, it's nought more than sonic wallpaper.


    I've only seen it once but I thought the score worked brilliantly. It was constantly present and I felt constantly on edge throughout the movie because of it. I didn't know the music beforehand, so my enjoyment of the music in the movie was probably more like a non-film score fan.

    Peter punk


    I didn't put it eloquently but it is what I thought. I don't really care much for the score away from the film either.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2010
    THE EXPENDABLES

    Fun, loud and brainless entertainment of the good ol' fashioned way but to be honest, i expected more action than what was shown in the trailer and essentially proofed to be a resume of all the action in the film. Still it was a nice ride with Stallone greatly in form (as an actor, the direction was numb) but i'd like more of Willis and Schwanzenpecker, instead of those brief cameos. The music was perhaps the most impersonal and auto-pilotish score by Tyler 'till now, but was loud and huge fun in the film. Liked the whole, 2 hours pleasantly killed!
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2010
    What did you think of Mickey Rourke's "I'm about to drool everywhere" scene?
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2010
    The crying over the mirror and guilds thingy?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorEric
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2010
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    I agree with what you're saying about Doctor Who, Martijn. But I do remember at one point seeing the briefest of instances where Matt Smith does do menacing (I can't remember exactly where) and I thought that he did it quite well.

    Maybe it was just because it was him being slightly less quirky than usual rather than actually being menacing, but I do remember thinking that it would be good to see more of this side of this version of the Doctor.

    BTW, Amy Pond is just as annoying.


    Yep , I remember one or two moments were Matt Smith is really menacing , can't remember the episode(s) though because series 5 isn't really my favourite season . I really hope Amy Pond gets dropped in a pond really quickly ! biggrin Besides nice eye candy her character is really annoying and does nothing for me !

    I'm also re-watching Torchwood on DVD at the moment . Still bloody good TV if you ask me !
    "Simplicity is the key to brilliance"
  4. Enjoying DOCTOR WHO AT THE PROS at the moment on BBC3. Although I did not find this series as good as previous ones, Murray Gold's music shines by itself.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2010
    The 'PROS' eh? wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  5. wink
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
  6. Damn you predictive texting - and poor proofreading.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn