DANNY ELFMAN

I love this! It sounds like we're finally going to get a fun DC movie.

agreed Marvel still has them completely beat in terms of music, but I'm still interested

You think? If there's one company that has been musically confused from the start, it's Marvel. Here's a studio that had the opportunity to create a rich tapestry of themes and strong identities for its heroic characters, only to keep switching composers, let each composer create new themes, nothing sticks, coherency has long been lost... They should've gone with a single vision, but I can't hum a single theme of theirs. They severely dropped the ball and are still trying to figure this music thing out - as if they're constantly searching for the right way to go.

Like DC's musical identity or not, at least they were consistent. Sure, the musical direction of their past films has been more classically heroic, but since they started out with the DC Cinematic Universe, they set themselves apart from Marvel by actually sticking with created themes. Superman's identity from Man of Steel onwards was clear, Wonder Woman has the same theme in the VS. movie as in her own. Now, Elfman is going to mess this all up - why would you want to return with themes that were written for pas iterations of the characters? Does this complement Zimmer's contributions (then when to use the one theme, when the other?) or does he discard his themes, even though it's a film set within that universe? And yet he still goes with Wonder Woman's theme, probably only because her new RC theme doesn't have a classic counterpart. It makes. no. sense.

I think it's a desperate attempt by a studio who senses it's failing in an area they should be incredibly successful in. This is the era of the superhero film, yet they're facing setback after setback.

Marvel has had next to no consistently in its music and that is absolutely a missed opportunity that should be lamented. But they have had several individually strong scores which are enough to put them well above DC musically, in my estimation. I'm surprised to hear you can't hum Silvestri's main Avengers theme at the very least. That one's pretty memorable, and they have dropped it into a few films now. In fact I have no trouble recalling pretty much any of the primary themes for Marvel's scores - Tyler's for Iron Man, Doyle's for Thor, Silvestri's for Captain America, Craig Armstrong's super underrated Hulk effort, Christophe Beck's Ant-Man, Giacchino's Doctor Strange...all those scores have strong main themes.

Yes the DC themes have been used more consistently across films but look at the average quality level score-to-score and Marvel is way ahead, consistency issues be damned.

You are aware that Civil War was scored by an RC guy, right? And that Elfman IS retaining the Zimmer Wonder Woman theme?

Quite unlike The Force Awakens, I find.

Mostly because the themes are playing about seventy-three leagues below Williams, and so is the action music, and so is pretty much everything else. Yes there are a lot of themes weaving about in that score, but they are all so mediocre and forgettable that it hardly matters (see also: Thrones, Game of). There's a new Spidey theme in there, I think? but it's almost indistinguishable from his Cap theme? which is almost identical to but bizarrely slightly altered from his Cap theme from Winter Soldier? I just find it all a bit haphazard and unengaging. Not a bad score necessarily...but The Force Awakens?

Well, I posted my interview in the other thread, but here it is again:

http://celluloidtunes.no/celluloid-tune … l-edition/

In it, Elfman reveals that he's writing a piano quartet for the Berlin Philharmonic.

Its like "Men in Black"s theme. Great rhythm, but they forgot to turn on the mic next to whoever was playing the melody.

Meh

Yeah, it basically sounds like what I expected it to sound like for this movie.

I agree. He's still capable of great scoring. I think he's either written himself out on this stuff or he's bored of it and not inspired.

I quite liked his Avengers Age of Ultron score but it wasn't particularly special.

Well, they're not factually wrong, of course, but I think Elfman's comment was clearly intended as "there is only one BATMAN theme to ME", which is perfectly OK.

Which animated series? "Batman: The Animated Series" does ("The Last Laugh" is an example).