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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2009
    Christodoulides wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    NP: The Blue Notebooks (Max Richter)

    Good soft classical / ambient-trance fusion album.


    Max Richter is one of the most wonderful modern composers i've recently discovered, and it's all thanks to you Michael.


    Franz,
    What the deuce is ambient-trance fusion? Sounds like musicologist babble or some sort of yuppie marketing.
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2009
    What is soft classical/ambient-trance fusion?
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2009
    It's a fusion between the softer more naturalist kind of classical music, with elements of ambient soundscaping and rhythmic devices employed in trance music.

    Basically it's musicologist marketing.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  1. sdtom wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    NP: The Blue Notebooks (Max Richter)

    Good soft classical / ambient-trance fusion album.


    Max Richter is one of the most wonderful modern composers i've recently discovered, and it's all thanks to you Michael.


    Franz,
    What the deuce is ambient-trance fusion? Sounds like musicologist babble or some sort of yuppie marketing.


    It's just a way of categorising something which mixes several sub-genres of music. Ambient music, trance music and soft classical are all distinct genres or sub-genres of music. wink
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2009
    psycho babble in the music world, yikes!
    listen to more classical music!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2009
    LSH wrote
    Timmer wrote
    LSH wrote
    Timmer wrote
    NP : SECRET STORY - Pat Metheny Group


    I managed to track this down yesterday Tim! I'm going to give it a complete first listen tonight so I'll give you my opinion later!

    cool


    Great! I'll look forward to hearing you're opinion? smile


    I'm about half-way through it now and, seriously Tim, this is looking to be one of your best recommendations. Superb stuff!

    cool


    cool beer

    What did you think of the whole album Lee?

    I love some of the orchestral touches, particularly in track 3 Finding and Believing, it conjours police covertly tailing perps for me ( ala Goldsmith's Police Story ) in a nightime Las Vegas kind of mode!? The musicianship all through the album is sublime.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    NP : THE WASPS OVERTURE - Ralph Vaughan Williams



    Glorious music cool
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorLSH
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    Timmer wrote
    What did you think of the whole album Lee?


    Loved it, it's just my kind of album. I've been listening to it a lot these past few days.

    The track you mention is a favourite, yeah. Very film-score like and very cool. cool

    Again, thanks for another superb recommendation! beer
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    Piper At The Gate Of Dawn - Pink Floyd

    Jesus H. Spinal Tapping Candlesticks.
    This is like a parody of progrock...and it was only made in 67, years before the whole 20-minute guitar solo, vague avantgarde mutterings in the dark, psychedelic operatic (but not quite) nonsensical "heavy" lyrics (complete with vocal silliness) came into vogue.

    This album embodies everything that is bad in progrock, and then some.
    It is interminable, unlistenable and unfathomable.

    I've never been a Pink Floyd fan at the best of times (not that I think their work is bad, but in general I find it way too alienating and depressing, and a sensitive heart like mine just can't handle the darkening of the soul of it all shame ), but this is horrific.
    For die-hard fans, stoneheads or musical historians only.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    Martijn wrote
    Piper At The Gate Of Dawn - Pink Floyd

    Jesus H. Spinal Tapping Candlesticks.
    This is like a parody of progrock...and it was only made in 67, years before the whole 20-minute guitar solo, vague avantgarde mutterings in the dark, psychedelic operatic (but not quite) nonsensical "heavy" lyrics (complete with vocal silliness) came into vogue.

    This album embodies everything that is bad in progrock, and then some.
    It is interminable, unlistenable and unfathomable.

    I've never been a Pink Floyd fan at the best of times (not that I think their work is bad, but in general I find it way too alienating and depressing, and a sensitive heart like mine just can't handle the darkening of the soul of it all shame ), but this is horrific.
    For die-hard fans, stoneheads or musical historians only.


    I love Floyd but not the early Syd Barratt ( though See Emily Play is a lovely ditty and also a rare chart entry for Floyd ) stuff or the later Roger Waters dominated works.

    So Martijn, do you not like Genesis, Yes, Rick Wakeman, Hawkwind etc etc etc biggrin wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    I actually like Rick Wakeman's concept albums quite a bit: he at least employs a clear narrative and seemingly tries to steer clear from being too heavyhanded as far as his goals are concerned: it's just entertainment.
    I really enjoyed his King Arthur album immensely (though his Zodiaque was wayyyyy too muzak-y to my taste slant ).

    Thing is that I generally dislike progrock...but I'm a sucker for concept albums.
    Go figure. shame
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009 edited
    Martijn wrote
    I actually like Rick Wakeman's concept albums quite a bit: he at least employs a clear narrative and seemingly tries to steer clear from being too heavyhanded as far as his goals are concerned: it's just entertainment.
    I really enjoyed his King Arthur album immensely (though his Zodiaque was wayyyyy too muzak-y to my taste slant ).

    Thing is that I generally dislike progrock...but I'm a sucker for concept albums.
    Go figure. shame


    Indeed! We are all multi-faceted. I probably like a bit of all those I mentioned ( particularly when Lemmy was in Hawkwind ) , Wakeman was very hit / miss and I'd say the majority of his stuff was exceptionally cheesy ( Journey To The Centre of The Earth being wayyyyy OTT ). As a person I quite like Wakeman and considering the mountains of cocaine he did during the excesses of that time it's amazing he's still with us.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    Timmer wrote
    ( Journey To The Centre of The Earth being wayyyyy OTT ).


    Didn't he do that one together with Trevor Rabin?
    If for that reason only (and that's not the only one as I'm rather susceptible to certain kinds of Over The Top -nothing succeeds like excess, eh?- ) that's still on my To Listen To list.

    In fact, having just reached the end of Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here (which is really good...and for reasons I find hard to fathom still depresses the SHIT out of me sad ), I think I'm in the mood for a bit of OTT.

    Well, it's either that or the bottle again.
    wink
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    Martijn wrote
    Timmer wrote
    ( Journey To The Centre of The Earth being wayyyyy OTT ).


    Didn't he do that one together with Trevor Rabin?


    My mistake, the one I meant was The Return To The Center Of The Earth from 1999...which opens with narration by Patrick Stewart and then explodes in horn and choir driven power anthems.
    Oh YEAH, baby! biggrin
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009 edited
    Martijn wrote
    Martijn wrote
    Timmer wrote
    ( Journey To The Centre of The Earth being wayyyyy OTT ).


    Didn't he do that one together with Trevor Rabin?


    My mistake, the one I meant was The Return To The Center Of The Earth from 1999...which opens with narration by Patrick Stewart and then explodes in horn and choir driven power anthems.
    Oh YEAH, baby! biggrin


    Never heard it but the thought of Rabin..... freezing
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009 edited
    It's even got OZZY!

    I'm fireworks MASSIVELY fireworks entertained!!!!
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    ...AND Bonnie Tyler!

    shocked I've died and gone to 1985! shocked
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009 edited
    Martijn wrote
    Timmer wrote
    ( Journey To The Centre of The Earth being wayyyyy OTT ).


    Didn't he do that one together with Trevor Rabin?
    If for that reason only (and that's not the only one as I'm rather susceptible to certain kinds of Over The Top -nothing succeeds like excess, eh?- ) that's still on my To Listen To list.

    In fact, having just reached the end of Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here (which is really good...and for reasons I find hard to fathom still depresses the SHIT out of me sad ), I think I'm in the mood for a bit of OTT.

    Well, it's either that or the bottle again.
    wink


    I love the album Wish You Were Here and that title track took on far more meaning for me personally when I heard ( and saw in siloette ) a man in a shikara on a moonlit lake in Kashmir singing and playing an accoustic version on guitar of that title song while I was sat on the deck of a houseboat, alone, drinking an iced beer and unable to set foot on dry land in Srinigar due to curfews in the war torn region, every time I hear that song I get the most aching, romantic nostalgia and, believe it or not, so sooooo wish I could be back there.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    I think that's what they call a Peak Experience.
    I envy you. smile
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    Martijn wrote
    I think that's what they call a Peak Experience.
    I envy you. smile


    I envy myself.....that was back in 1989 dizzy shocked

    Mostly it was brilliant but outside of my little bubble on the lake people were shot dead and I heard 3 bombs, one of which I could see the explosion of. Unless you were in the wrong place at the wrong time being a British tourist wasn't a problem back then.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009 edited
    Martijn wrote
    ...AND Bonnie Tyler!

    shocked I've died and gone to 1985! shocked


    B....B....Bonnie Tyler.....BONNIE TYLER!!!!? shocked freezing vomit
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    Hmmmm... I generally am a great proponent of keeping things into perspective, but the huge problem of that is that it is a two-edged sword. It can take the edge of a bad experience, but it may also diminish something really special.

    It's never a bad thing to keep your eye on the bigger picture, but in this case, the bubble WAS the experience.
    The fact that the world was at war with itself once more in no way takes away from that.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    Timmer wrote
    Martijn wrote
    ...AND Bonnie Tyler!

    shocked I've died and gone to 1985! shocked


    B....B....Bonnie Tyler.....BONNIE TYLER!!!!? shocked freezing vomit


    And Trevor sings!!!!
    I haven't had this much fun since I discovered mimosas.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009 edited
    Martijn wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Martijn wrote
    ...AND Bonnie Tyler!

    shocked I've died and gone to 1985! shocked


    B....B....Bonnie Tyler.....BONNIE TYLER!!!!? shocked freezing vomit


    And Trevor sings!!!!
    I haven't had this much fun since I discovered mimosas.


    You really are a false god! Mimosas indeed.

    Though saying that, I like a cosmopolitan... and we shall speak of this no further!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    Martijn wrote
    Hmmmm... I generally am a great proponent of keeping things into perspective, but the huge problem of that is that it is a two-edged sword. It can take the edge of a bad experience, but it may also diminish something really special.

    It's never a bad thing to keep your eye on the bigger picture, but in this case, the bubble WAS the experience.
    The fact that the world was at war with itself once more in no way takes away from that.


    I should point out that Kashmir was fine when I arrived ( make of that what you will wink ), we just ended up staying longer than intended.

    I love you're philosophy Martijn, you put my thoughts into better perspective than I do at times.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009 edited
    Steven wrote
    You really are a false god! Mimosas indeed.

    Though saying that, I like a cosmopolitan... and we shall speak of this no further!


    A COSMOPOLITAN?!?
    What are you?
    20???


    Oh.
    wait...
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    Timmer wrote
    I love you're philosophy Martijn, you put my thoughts into better perspective than I do at times.


    The thought of champagne cocktails goes a long way towards ordering my mind. wink
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  2. sdtom wrote
    psycho babble in the music world, yikes!


    Be careful there - most film music is 'soft classical'. wink
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009 edited
    Martijn wrote
    Piper At The Gate Of Dawn - Pink Floyd

    Jesus H. Spinal Tapping Candlesticks.
    This is like a parody of progrock...and it was only made in 67, years before the whole 20-minute guitar solo, vague avantgarde mutterings in the dark, psychedelic operatic (but not quite) nonsensical "heavy" lyrics (complete with vocal silliness) came into vogue.


    PIPER is NOT prog rock. It's PSYCHEDELIC. Huge difference. The prog rock sound didn't really begin untill the second album, A SAUCERFUL OF SECRETS, and its title track, and even more prominently when Syd left the band.

    PIPER is basically in a style that can be described as Syd's deceptively naïve sing-along mode meets acid trip unexpectedness (in lyrics, meter and melody). It's definitely for the seasoned listener and you really have to be in the mood for his songs (they can be REALLY intense otherwise).

    Personally, I'm not the biggest Syd fan either (even though I also have all his wacked-out solo albums) and prefer the Waters sound with Gilmour coming second. But it slooooowly grows on me.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2009
    Thor wrote
    Huge difference.


    Yet sounds very much the same. wink

    (Knew I'd get a rise out of you, Thor. biggrin )

    I don't think there's anything naive (deceptively or otherwise) about the album: it's WAY too convoluted and artificial for that. It's a style that's definitely not for me, at any rate.

    Getting through the Wakeman catalogue now, and I'm enjoying that immensely!
    I had no idea he was the man behind Cast Your Fate To The Wind, or Classical Gas! shocked
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn